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Taking 5: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - a terrible subtitle for a movie that doesn’t need one

The full title of Batman v Superman was just revealedBatman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. It’s… it’s not good. Worse, it’s unnecessary. And after thinking about it for a few munutes, I felt like I had to write something. 

Let’s be very clear, I am excited to see Batman v Superman. I think Affleck is a really good choice for Batman and while I don’t really like Snyder’s movies I thought Man of Steel was OK and I’d like to see where he takes the franchise.

I also tend to criticize things that I love and care about. I wouldn’t waste my time otherwise. So let’s fly backwards around the earth a few times and go back to 2011.

2011’s Captain America movie had a subtitle. It was the first movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) to receive one, and it’s the only movie in Phase One to have one. The full title, if you forgot, was Captain America: The First Avenger.

I used to read Captain America comics (up until he died in 2007… spoiler). Yes he was an Avenger, the leader of the Avengers for a while, but up until Marvel started making movies he was always second tier. Spider-Man, Wolverine, Fantastic Four, and The Hulk, have always been the top tier for Marvel. They are the most popular, and have been for decades.  As much as I loved Iron Man he was always second tier. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and a hand full of X-men make up Marvel’s second tier.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a powerful second tier of superheroes, but you can’t compare the popularity of Captain America to Spider-Man. Spider-Man is leaps and bounds (pun intended) more popular.

There’s a reason why X-men, Spider-Man, Hulk, and Fantastic Four movies were (licensed and) made before Marvel started making movies on their own. Those were the most popular characters, and therefor the easiest to get made. Unfortunately since Marvel licensed those characters they are unable to bring many of them into the fold of the MCU. So they had to turn to their second tier characters and make them more visible (again this was pretty easy, since their second tier is full of very good characters). 

By the time Captain America was released we had already seen the release of 2 Iron Man films, a Hulk (in the cinematic universe), and Thor. I think those characters are easier sells. Hulk is top tier after all and Iron Man, (well, aside from Robert Downy Jr crushing it,) the character has a dark side and is very human despite being a billionaire, genius, philanthropist. At this point everyone knew an Avengers movie was coming, it had been teased on the backs of four films already. But why would we, as an audience, want to see Captain America? What does a guy fighting Nazi’s have to do with The Avengers?

In this case, the subtitle “The First Avenger" was necessary. It told the audience, who probably only knew Cap on the surface, that his story was important to The Avengers (the movie and the team). It said, “he’s the first Avenger of many upcoming Avengers, and if you don’t see this movie you’re going to be lost.”

It’s a bit of a stretch, but it worked. Captain America was my least favorite of the MCU Phase 1 and I bet you could have seen the rest of Phase 1 and skipped Captain America and been fine. But the subtitle, as bad as it is, was necessary for Marvel to push their second tier hero out to the masses. 

That brings us to Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.

Batman. Superman. They are the two most popular, most recognizable superheroes of all time. DC has already put their names side by side in the title, and they’ve linked their logos together. You know what this movie doesn’t need? A subtitle. And to make things worse, it’s a pretty terrible subtitle.

Granted, I’ve been paying attention so I know this movie will set up/lead into the Justice League movie. And I know DC is shooting them back to back so they’ll release in 2016 and 2017. But a subtitle like Dawn of Justice only works when setting up for something bigger / more popular than the first film.

The Avengers as a team are more popular than Captain America as a hero. But Batman and Superman, on their own, are more popular than the whole of the Justice League. DC doesn’t need the Justice League to sell people on a Batman and/or Superman movie the way Marvel needed The Avengers to sell people on Captain America.

There’s a reason why Batman and Superman are still around and popular after almost 90 years. They have the staying power and adaptability very few pop culture icons have gained. The Justice League may be made up of several heroes, but without Batman or Superman that movie doesn’t get made.

But here we are. A Man of Steel sequel that gives the Dark Knight top billing and a subtitle that weakens the actual title. We’ve got two more years of this, so glad we’re getting the rough stuff out of the way. See you guys at the theatre in 2016.

Just a quick note…

dcu:

Yesterday when I speculated that Diana Prince might be Bruce or Clark’s love interest in the Man of a Steel sequel, some of you took what I was saying the wrong way. I was speculating who Diana Prince might be “acting as”, not how Wonder Woman will be defined. I can totally see Diana under cover for most of the movie as Diana Prince before revealing herself as Wonder Woman.

Hope that clears that up.

Since I just reblogged the first part, I feel I should also reblog this.

dcu:

After my intial reaction to Batman vs. Superman (which is not the title for the film) earlier this year, I mentioned a few times on this site that I was confident Wonder Woman would be appearing in the Man of Steel sequel. What I wasn’t sure of is who would be playing her.

Well, here she is: Gal Gadot! I want to wish Gal (above images via Stndrd) good luck, those are some mighty big boots to fill.

I noticed that in all the press releases, they refer to her a Wonder Woman/Diana Prince. What that says to me is that we’ll be seeing Wonder Woman in her alter ego for a good portion of the film. But how? As Bruce’s love interest? As Superman’s love interest? As a bad ass government operative? Who knows. I just hope Zack Snyder gives this character the respect she deserves in her big screen debut…

DCU has been on the Wonder Woman beat for some time. I’m glad to see it finally paying off.

Emerging Star Gal Gadot Set For Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’ 

dcu:


Well well well… What do we have here?

Fast and the Furious’ Gal Gadot? Interesting choice.

dcu:

Seriously though, do we really have to wait until a Justice League film, or Man of Steel 3, or whatever, to see Wonder Woman on film? She is one of the most iconic characters in comics, yet can’t get a film green lit? I don’t buy it. I really don’t.

Diane Nelson, president of DC Entertainment, when asked why WW has no film on the way, was just quoted as saying:

The reasons why are probably pretty subjective: She doesn’t have the single, clear, compelling story that everyone knows and recognizes.

That’s a pretty lame reason, and also not true at all. Her story summarized: She is an Amazon champion/warrior who leaves her home in order to save the world of man from themselves. Has the story changed over the years? Yes, but right there you have a simple concept to build a three act structure on.

What if that “compelling” reason already exists? How about this alternate idea for Man of Steel 2: Wonder Woman leaves Themyscira because she is the only one capable of stopping this “Superman” who just destroyed a small town and a large city. Special effects, misunderstandings, moral lessons, Lex Luthor, and Steve Trevor. Boom: Superman/Wonder Woman makes a billion plus dollars.

There, you’ve got a Wonder Woman movie.

Now, I’m excited to see Batman and Superman side by side in a movie. But I would trade that in a heart beat to finally see Wonder Woman have her chance to shine.

In closing: I’m happy that Batman/Superman is happening, but DC Entertainment missed an opportunity to make it a Wonder Woman/Superman movie. I hope they correct the ship by putting WW in her own film before moving forward with a JLA film.

I continue to agree with Daily DCU.

Also this quote is bullshit, “She doesn’t have the single, clear, compelling story that everyone knows and recognizes.” I see that quote, and raise you a Green Lantern movie…

dcu:

Roger Rabbit is one of my favorite films of all time, so seeing Jessica dressed as Wonder Woman is something I sort of have to post here.

Yeah, this is awesome.

David E. Kelley's "Wonder Woman" is less Buffy, more Ally McBeal 

This is nothing but trouble. But I guess it’s to be expected since this guy has written nothing but mediocre courtroom dramas - Ally McBealThe PracticeBoston Legal, and Harry’s Law. So why the hell is this guy writing Wonder Woman?

The Daily Beast has obtained a copy of Kelley’s draft of the Wonder Woman pilot script, dated December 16, 2010—and it’s laughably bizarre. In Kelley’s vision, Wonder Woman is presented as a weepy career woman-slash-superheroine with three identities (Wonder Woman; Diana Themyscira, the chairman of Themyscira Industries; and mousy assistant Diana Price) to juggle.

Why does she need three identities? 

Diana and Myndi [her press secretary] have a “sleepover,” complete with ice cream (“It’s been a three-scoop day”) as they watch Katy Perry’s sexually suggestive Wonder Woman homage music video and “scream like schoolgirls.” Later, Diana glimpses her original costume in the closet (the Lynda Carter one!) and sadly stares at a picture of herself and Steve in happier times, before crying herself to sleep.

This is NOT ok. None of it. I’m a guy and I’m angry at this.  Why couldn’t we get something written by someone who knows how to write strong women.  Was Joss Whedon busy?  I know DC didn’t like his Wonder Woman movie, but I bet you could have worked it out.

I bet Daily DCU is going to have a field day with this…

[via @NCroal] -Creighton